who is in health, out of debt, and has a clear conscience?"
- Adam Smith, 1763
A place for residents of Marin County, CA and others to express their views regarding the real estate bubble and in particular the Marin real estate market
Israel Medina admits he got too gung ho about the idea of getting rich by flipping Bay Area real estate. Medina...has seen not one, but 11, of his Northern California properties move into foreclosure in the past year. "I was a real estate tycoon; I had everything," said Medina. "Now I have nothing."Too bad these speculators didn't lose more of their own money. Too bad the rest of us have to also pay the price of their greed. Too bad Hodges didn't read (or didn't outright dismiss) this and other such blogs. Too bad the real estate industry is a propagandist cartel. Too bad the Bay Area really isn't "special" vis-à-vis real estate; too bad it isn't "different here". Too bad so many people believed the commission-based lies, manipulations, and fear-mongering of local realtors/agents.
These real estate gamblers are hardly the struggling home buyers often portrayed as victims of the Bay Area's and nation's foreclosure crisis. Some bought houses as often as other people buy shoes, rarely putting down any money. More than one-fifth of 6,557 Bay Area properties that fell into foreclosure from January through September this year were owned by investors, according to a Chronicle analysis of public records compiled by DataQuick Information Systems. Of properties repossessed by lenders, 1 in 6 had been owned by people who had two or more foreclosures in their names. Eighteen Bay Area investors had five or more foreclosures.
Easy money through no-questions-asked subprime mortgages allowed almost anyone to become a real estate speculator. The flood of investors and first-time home buyers into the market helped to fuel the Bay Area's double-digit price appreciation in recent years.
A Marin resident [Rose Hodges] invested $1 million in four properties that a construction company owner told her he would fix up and flip; she lost all the money, her good credit and her own home. [Hodges] said she attended Marin investment clubs and met many people like herself who wanted to learn how to invest in real estate. "All these Baby Boomers started inheriting money from their parents and looking for ways to invest it. And the real estate market was booming," said Hodges, who learned the hard way that such investments can have a big downside. "It's crazy out there and people ought to know."
It's widely known that get-rich-quick real estate speculators flooded markets such as Las Vegas or Miami over the past few years. The Bay Area was presumed to have been relatively free of speculation because real estate here is so expensive... Why would investors buy multiple properties in a pricey market where their carrying costs - mortgage payments, taxes, insurance - would certainly eclipse the potential rents? Flipping and fraud appear to be the primary motives.
"It was a really, really bad investment," said Medina, who said he lost hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own money that he had invested in the homes. "I should have bought fewer homes. I never should have gone so crazy."
Speaking to a gathering of industry professionals Friday, longtime California real estate titan Fred C. Sands called the housing market "pathetic" and said some agents needed to start looking for other work...Sorry that I have to be the one to break the news to you boys, but you and your industry lost credibility a long time ago.
In the short term, the local real estate market "is not going to get better," Sands said...
He added that he could speak with candor because he was no longer in the home-selling business...
Such frank remarks are rare at gatherings of famously upbeat real estate agents, but Sands said those in the business needed to remember the last slump and realize "the last five or six years were not normal."...
The soaring market of a few years ago will be followed by a correspondingly sharp decline, he said: "The longer the up cycle, the more excess there is, and the worse it is for what follows." ...
But wealthy areas won't escape unscathed, Sand said...
"We saw 25-year-old guys buying $3-million houses," he said of the questionable mortgage practices of recent years. "Someone who makes $100,000 a year can't afford a $2-million house, but that's what's been going on," Sands said...
"The idea that everyone is supposed to own a home is baloney," he added...
Sands counseled agents that property prices must be cut drastically to "get in front of the crisis." Otherwise, agents will "follow it down like a dope" and get even less for the properties, if they can sell them at all, he said...
Long [president of the Southern California region of Sotheby's International Realty Inc.] counseled agents to drop sellers who aren't willing to lower prices. "Let go of the fear another agent will take over and sell it -- they won't," he said...
Agents should "go with the flow" by using the downturn to prod buyers, he said. "We are salespeople. We have to be positive."...
That remark prompted Sands to interject: "But if you go too far, you lose credibility. People need to know what's happening."...
I thought you might be interested in the attached map showing the foreclosure activity near Marin. The data comes from ForeclosureRadar, a fee based service. There are over 300 foreclosures in all of Marin County, and 200 (the most the service will show at once, they are reporting 212) on the attached map.
Red pins are bank owned homes.
Blue pines are auction homes.
Green pins are in default.
Wealthy Marin not immune to foreclosure crisisAfter that fool's story, the next third of the article is all about calming our fears and assuaging our hurt egos... about how special we are, about how we have fewer foreclosures, etc., compared to other counties (never mind that our population is far, far smaller than most and so of course our absolute numbers of foreclosures are smaller, but they are not smaller on a percentage basis (see here and here for recent action); and dang but the IJ is really pushing that message recently, isn't it?), and that if you factor out Novato and San Rafael, then there is not too much of a foreclosure problem in Marin (hear that Novato and San Rafael? The Marin IJ has just kicked you out of Marin).
Ian Minto isn't exactly homeless, but he sure doesn't have his home.
The 58-year-old former banker lost his job and, last fall, began falling behind on mortgage payments on the Mill Valley house he grew up in on East Manor Drive.
Desperate, he sold the home - appraised at $1.2 million - for about $300,000 less than it was worth.
"(I felt) like I wanted to kill somebody or jump off the bridge," said Minto, who just took a job at Radio Shack to help cover the cost of a $600-a-month windowless room he is moving into on Fourth Street in San Rafael.
"We started beefing up the agents' education," he said [Steve Dickason, vice president and managing broker at Pacific Union in Greenbrae]. "This year it's more short-sale activity than we've seen in many years. The signs were there that it was coming. There was a lot creative financing with the lenders."Why would Marin realtors/agents need special training in short-sales and foreclosures?
Teaching these classes is Paul Hickman, president of California Land Title Co. of Marin. He said it is vital that realty agents stay active in a foreclosure or short sale, as most clients are not equipped with the skills to close the deal.
Hickman, who started teaching the classes last year, expects to be at it for awhile.
Yesterday, as the dollar fell to new record lows and oil and gold prices surged to new highs, Wall Street remained fixated on wholly meaningless government data that managed to report the lowest inflation in the last half century. These bizarre numbers were integral in allowing the Commerce Department to report 3.9% annualized GDP growth in the third quarter, which was heralded by the bulls as evidence that a resilient U.S. economy had shrugged off the problems in the housing and mortgage markets. However, the government’s ability to make “economic growth” magically appear is based purely on statistical finesse.A nation of financial lies. Heck, just recently Charles Hugh Smith (whom I admire greatly) wrote:
To arrive at this rate, the government had to assume that inflation during the quarter ran at an annualized rate of .8% (that’s less than 1%). That is the lowest rate of inflation used to calculate U.S. GDP since the Eisenhower administration. With oil priced at almost $100 per barrel, gold futures trading over $800 per ounce, the dollar hitting record lows, and the Fed printing money like it is going out of style, the government has the nerve to claim that current inflation is the lowest it has been in half a century. Unbelievable!
The consensus estimate for 3rd quarter GDP growth was 3.4%. The reason we beat that number was that the government adjusted the nominal 4.7% gain by a mere .8%. Had the government assumed a higher rate of inflation, say 2.6% (identical to the rate used to deflate second quarter GDP,) the 3rd quarter gain would have been only 2.1%, well shy of the consensus forecast. My guess is that inflation is actually running at an annualized rate closer to 10%. Therefore using a more honest deflator, the U.S. economy is actually contracting...
Alas, parodying these princes of the Empire of Lies [the United States] is impossible; they are self-parodying in the extreme. Where else but the Empire of Lies does a CEO (of Countrywide) pillage his company to the tune of $1 billion as it loses 2/3 of its value, and the shareholders don't run him out of town?And then there is Merril Lynch's writing off of $8 billion in assets (due to the mortgage mess) and resultant firing of their CEO... all not too terribly controversial except for the fact that the firing was accompanied with a big, fat $161.5 million wet kiss. Hey Merril or any other investment house out there -- I'll take the blame for whatever loss you want and I'll only require $10 million in compensation for it.
"Roger guesses the house is worth 10 percent less than it cost to build--and he's worried its fall has just begun. "I have personal angst," Elliott says. "Yes, I built this fantastic house. My wife loves it. Everybody in the neighborhood thinks it's great." But it was a house built for appreciation. Now that prices are falling, he wishes he'd built something far more modest."Sick. Just sick. Houses are places to live and raise a family, not investments, not to be treated like stocks, or at least they shouldn't be. I know I am naive. But I feel terrible for all the people who just wanted a decent place to call home, a place to raise the kids, and yet who have been priced out and/or over-extended with crushing debt due to the aggregate behavior of these sick, greedy specuvestors. This is why investment in houses should be curtailed in my naive point of view.
story: http://www.newsweek.com/id/52608/
And, check out this journalist following her house price like a stock:
This summer New York Times columnist Michelle Slatalla described how she had begun checking the value of her Bay Area home (using sites like Zillow and Cyberhome) every few hours. In a recent two-month period, the Web suggested her home had lost $92,248 in value. "I really, really need every tiny bit of information I can get about managing my biggest investment,"
[the] NAR better be careful and change its curmudgeonly ways or it will be thwarted and become even more irrelevant than it already is.So the lying, manipulating, unethical, lobbying, monopolist, commissioned scum at the NAR are going to get their due. And I hope it trickles down to every agent in America. The closer we get to returning the RE market to an open and free market, the better.
Another thing for potential sellers to consider. This isn't polite and it isn't easy to hear and it isn't good news. It is almost a sure thing that the buying person and their agent are smarter than you and your sales agent. All the stupid people already have houses. Any stupid people left houseless or just not stupid merely newly in the market to buy are not going to be qualified buyers for a long long time.
These are hard truths. If you as a seller today knew then what you know now you would have sold in Spring '06 right? Okay, you accept that you aren't the smartest guy in the room. Now, anybody who can buy today was certainly able to buy in Spring '06 right? See the problem? The only way you can sell to the people who are buying now is to give them a deal that is homage to their skills.
But even in expensive areas like Marin County the crisis is beginning to be felt. One of the Bay Area's highest-priced ZIP codes, 94920, in the tony Belvedere/Tiburon area, was home to nine foreclosures - including a $1.3 million "Bel-Aire tract home" with "floor-to-ceiling windows ... and French doors leading to the pool."In "tony Belvedere/Tiburon" I count at present:
Foreclosure filings across the United States nearly doubled last month compared with September 2006...The data for the following chart came from the Chronicle's graphic for the above mentioned article; I just added some info:
Foreclosure filings in the Bay Area tripled in September compared with a year ago.
The number of foreclosures is rising in Marin, with defaults almost quadrupling in September over a year ago, but the number of properties in distress remains relatively small. The same isn’t true for counties like Alameda and Contra Costa, where the numbers are significant...Uh, Valerie, according to the 2000 census Alameda has a population of about 1.4 million and Contra Costa is at roughly 950K; Marin's population is about 250K. So of course Alameda and Contra Costa's absolute numbers of NODs/foreclosures, etc. are higher than Marin's. That's why you look at rates of change, percentages, etc... to factor out population differences when comparing across counties. When you do that you find that Marin is really no different than any other Bay Area county, which of course is the point. (Also I should mention that what really matters when comparing is not the county population per se but the number of houses that are actually for sale in that county.)
Valerie Castellana, president of the Marin Association of Realtors, said she expects to see increases in defaults and foreclosures in Marin but added, "We are blessed to have the default and foreclosure numbers so low compared to other Bay Area counties."
Despite an initial setback, outraged homeowners in the upscale Paseo West subdivision plan to continue their informal protest against a developer planning to auction off 34 brand-new homes.
Upon learning of the auction, the subdivision's 26 owners became infuriated — upset that the auction would lower property values and turn the neighborhood into a rental community... The consensus from homeowners is that the auction will undercut property values by hundreds of thousands of dollars and that the current tight credit situation will mean only investors will participate in the auction, and would rent out the homes.
Following a meeting last Friday with Barton, homeowners crafted a letter asking Anderson Homes for a $20,000 per owner rebate for their property.
On Wednesday, homeowner Dave Cantrell — the de facto leader of the protest — received a response. In a letter via e-mail, Anderson Homes president andowner Larry W. Anderson said he was "perplexed" by the rebate request.
"In nearly 25 years of building homes, I have not asked a homeowner to pay more for a house when the value increased," he wrote. "Housing is cyclical and values will fluctuate as history tells us. Housing has been hit especially hard this cycle due to the financial market crisis and large number of foreclosures."
The trouble is, upgrades for one family are renovations waiting to happen for another family..."Upgrades are very difficult to value," Barker said. "So much of what people do to their homes they won't get a return on."I fully agree with this reader's comments on this ridiculous couple's situation:
What's amazing to me about this article is what it reveals about people's perception of a "loss." If you read the article, you learn the couple paid $424,000 in 2001, and now they're bracing themselves for a "loss" when they sell for $825K-$868K. The couple "declined to say" how much they spent on upgrades.Look, it's not going to get any better any time soon; only worse. There is no way a significant majority of people are going to pay (let alone be able to pay) the fantasy pricing we've "enjoyed" over the last few years now that easy credit is history. Not now, not when significant down payments, documented income, mortgage payments at 30% or so of income, etc. become the norm again. Hoping for the days of easy credit to return is just wishful thinking. And don't even get me started on the rising interest rates on mortgage loans. So deal with it. The sooner you do, the less your "loss". Or take your over priced POS off the market and give those who are serious about selling a break.
Either of the two ways they're defining this to be a "loss" is nonsensical. It seems like their perceived loss is the fact that, at best, they will be selling for $100K less than they could have sold a year ago. No loss there. As far as the upgrades, that's silly as well. If you spend money on maintaining a car, the amount of money spent is not simply added to the value of the car. Ditto for granite countertops, or most other expenditures on a home, other than those that add square footage.
It just boggles my mind. If people are whining about "losses" now, think how psychologically ill-prepared people will be when they face real losses, i.e., selling their home for less than they paid. We've got a long way to go.
Earlier this week, the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME) extended the futures market on the S&P Case-Shiller Home Prices Indexes from one to five years. Now, futures investors can make bets on where home prices will be as far out as 2011.
For all of you who think a 15-25% pullback in the real estate market can't happen, I suggest you take a look at the CME pricing Web site.
The market is new and illiquid, so price discovery may be imperfect. But futures traders are putting real money on a major pullback in real estate prices. The table below shows the estimated percentage change in real estate prices in 10 cities based on the most recent futures sale on the CME. The data starts with the November 2007 contract and runs annually through November 2011.
After working overtime to initiate Bush's preposterous mortgage bailout, the NAR (National Association of Realtors) asked themselves what else they could do to artificially prop up overblown home prices. And then it hit them: why not ask the OFHEO (Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight) to increase portfolio caps for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.Although not unexpected, it still sickens me nonetheless. When will We The People take back America from special interests?
Under current caps, Freddie and Fannie can only buy mortgages valued at less than $417,000. Proposals are floating around to increase the size of the mortgages the two companies are allowed to buy and sell. Freddie and Fannie each hold more than $700 billion worth of mortgages in their respective investment portfolios already. The new proposals would allow the companies to expand their portfolios to dangerous proportions.
...In our demoralized world, we allow real estate agents to push a personal profit agenda and influence the decisions of policymakers. The NAR is not a trusted authority on banking and risk, yet they are allowed to personally address and pressure Congress and the Director of the OFHEO.
Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture?!
"It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their own selfish purposes." (Andrew Jackson)
The San Rafael City Council has offered a $600,000 low-interest home loan to the city's new fire chief, Chris Gray. Gray, who started his $152,000-a-year job this week, is in escrow to buy a $1.2 million, four-bedroom home in East San Rafael's Villa Real neighborhood, just west of Loch Lomond Marina. Escrow is set to close in early October.This is wrong on so many levels. Look, one of the complaints people like me make about the affordability crisis that afflicts Marin, the Bay Area, and much of California is that public servants, like fire chiefs, teachers, etc., cannot afford to buy a decent house in the community they serve. But handing out special mortgages to a few people that we deem as special is not the answer.
"We'd like the fire chief to live in San Rafael - homes are expensive in San Rafael," Mayor Al Boro said [in justification].
The council approved the home loan agreement at its meeting Monday.
The council also awarded Nordhoff a $350-per-month raise and an additional $2,000-per-year contribution to his deferred compensation account. Nordhoff's annual salary is now $179,200 per year, plus benefits.
Gray, 50, who was previously the fire chief in Glendale, said a big draw of the job was to be near family in the Bay Area. He said he says it's important to live in the community he serves.
Marc Savoy, a San Francisco mortgage consultant and real estate attorney who also is a former resident of Mill Valley, says for the past five years, the 5-year, interest-only loan was the most popular loan written. In other words, for the past five years, the most popular financing vehicle for property purchase in the North Bay was a loan that remained stable at a low interest rate for the first few years - typically three or five - and on which no principal was paid. At the end of the three or five years, however, the loan is "recast" to include payments that reflect (a) some of the as-yet-unpaid principal, and (b) today's higher interest rates.Cry me a friggin' river already. No one forced them to take out a suicide loan for their Marin POSs.
When loans are recast, people find their monthly payments are suddenly much higher. These folks cannot refinance because the credit markets have tightened to a stranglehold, and they can't sell because there are few buyers who can obtain the nonconforming loan (or who have the whopping down payment) that's needed for most properties in Marin.
Many home sellers, bogged down in a housing downturn, are now doing the only thing they can to sell, dropping prices. Only this time, the sagging market often means taking a loss if the home was bought in 2005 or 2006. Christopher Thornberg, the former UCLA Anderson Forecast economist who predicted the 'housing bubble' since 2002, said that sellers' only hope is to "price to sell."'Lower the price'?! Now who would have ever thought of that? What a novel concept!
"You want to get out of the market," he said. "There’s no point in holding out if you want to get out before the next three years."
US house prices are likely to fall significantly from their present levels, Alan Greenspan has told the Financial Times, admitting that there was a bubble in the US housing market... the decline in house prices “is going to be larger than most people expect”.It's a good thing we are immune and special and not in a bubble, at least according to the experts. That way we get to continue living in a crushingly unaffordable market while the rest of the state becomes a comfortable place to live.
Marin's median home price hit the $1 million mark again last month [August, 2007], but sales of homes slid more than 32 percent compared with this time last year... homes priced under $1 million were off by 39.8 percent between 2006 and 2007... in Novato, single-family homes sales were half of what they were a year ago...a 23 percent drop-off in Mill Valley...In Tiburon and Belvedere, sales remained flat. Regionally, Bay Area homes sold at the slowest pace in 15 years last month.In summary, reporting of the county median is a joke because of the luxury market which is still able to prop up the county stats; but the rest of the market, the one that the majority of people here care about, is tanking. Furthermore, as explained before, the bubble is collapsing inward, towards our regional employment center. So we currently see the most distress in north Marin and the least distress in south Marin. Lastly, realtors continue to claim that no matter what the market conditions, it's always a good time to buy and pay them a commission (does anyone even take their self-serving talk seriously anymore?). Nothing new to anyone here on this blog. Enjoy the show.
The rise in the median... combined with the decline in volume signals a stable luxury market making up for the lagging low end that has been most affected by the mortgage meltdown...
"Until the first-time home buyer can get back in the market in a strong way I think we'll see these trends for a while," said Valerie Castellana, president of the Marin Association of Realtors.
Yet to fully play out is the impact tighter lending practices, including restrictions this summer on jumbo loans over $417,000, have had on markets such as Marin, DataQuick analyst Andrew LePage said. In Marin, 76.9 percent of borrowers took out jumbo loans in August.
Realtor Kira Swaim, co-owner of San Rafael-based Tam Realty, said continued real estate jitters make it a great time to buy.
I was entertained [by] the way you skewered the melodrama to the IJ story. All it needs is a "Snidely Whiplash" character, hence that cartoon. After hiding behind a façade of a friendly "community newspaper", while serving local realtors, the[y] deserve all the scorn we can muster. Their pitiful little story makes me nauseous.I couldn't agree more.
International bankers and investors from China to France and Germany have lost billions of dollars because U.S. investments, sold as safe, turned out to be far riskier and worth much less than what American investment-rating agencies and banks led them to believe. They don’t want to be deceived again.
The international worry is that American regulators are not properly monitoring the products or alerting investors to the risks.
Now international investors are asking not only why American banks were allowed to originate hundreds of thousands of mortgages to home buyers whom they knew would likely be unable to repay them, but also why these risky investments were pawned off with top ratings to unsuspecting investors.
If and how long Washington will be able to resist international pressure is unclear, but America will probably fight hard to limit foreign regulation, especially since financial products and services are one of America’s most dynamic and most important export industries.
However, while regulators in the U.S. have been unreceptive to international monitoring, Europe and Asia, unlike in years past, now have growing financial leverage up their sleeves. “America depends on the rest of the world to finance its debt,” reminded Bofinger. “If our institutions stopped buying their financial products, it would hurt.”
Foreign willingness to purchase U.S. debt has kept interest rates low in America—thereby creating millions of jobs in real estate, home construction, remodeling and other associated industries. If foreigners stop lending to America because of difficulty assessing borrower credit-worthiness, the cost of borrowing could go way up.
But a potentially bigger concern is the effect the subprime disaster could have on America’s reputation as a financial safe haven. As the world’s largest debtor nation, America borrows hundreds of billions of dollars per year from the rest of the world. America needs foreign money, and its ability to attract it depends on its perception as a stable and trustworthy borrower.
The exposed corruption associated with America’s housing bubble, which includes mortgage originators, banks and rating agencies, may be irrevocably damaging the nation’s economic reputation and its ability to finance its debt.
America’s economic recklessness seems to be coming home to roost. Politicians, regulators and financial specialists outside the United States are seeking a role in oversight of American financial institutions and rating agencies in the wake of recent mortgage and banking problems. Indebtedness is eroding more than America’s economic independence—it’s eroding its status as a superpower.
Many real estate agents estimate that about 40 percent of the 10,000 single-family houses for sale in Sacramento County are empty...So these investments aren't selling. They sit vacant and their lawns are brown and choked with weeds, the pools clogged with algae and breeding pits for West Nile virus. Because no one lives there, when and if the investment sells, there is no move-up buyer, so that move-up chain breaks. If it doesn't sell but the Bay Area "genius" has to sell it, they walk away (since it was probably a no-money-down sort of thing anyway). Their credit is now crap and they might have to sell their primary residence as that investment loan might be a non-owner occupied recourse loan.
"There are so many new homes here and so many investors from the Bay Area," McDonald says. "When we pull up the owner's names, nine times out of 10 they live in the Bay Area."
But in California, refinanced loans, second trust deeds and home equity lines of credit are generally considered recourse loans. In these cases, a lender can file suit and go after almost any of the borrower's assets once they obtain a court judgment.Too bad it is so much harder now to get bankruptcy protection.
"They can literally go after everything you have," Hall says.
There are a few limited exceptions. Retirement accounts are excluded, and declaring bankruptcy could protect some homeowners.
In the past, lenders have been reluctant to go after borrowers personally because it takes time and can involve costly litigation, but Hall says things might be different this time, especially if a borrower has substantial assets.