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Monday, July 17, 2006
Interest-Only Mortgage Reset Map
Here is a map of the frequency of interest-only loans that were initiated in 2003 and that are about to reset. Yes, Marin is in one of those high density black sections. Thanks to the reader who sent this in.
I think the Chronicle ran an article earlier this year estimating 67% of 2005 Bay Area purchases were made with IO's. Marin specifically was around 70% and Santa Rosa was even higher.
Everyone I know who bought in the last year or two has one of these suicde loans, no kidding. No one made a downpayment of more than 5%. Piggyback loans, the whole mess.
interesting, because on the KSVY RE show up herein Sonoma this afternoon, they were discussing just such an event. The call in RE'ltor was bemoaning the fact that a lot of people have these loans and they'd better re-fi..or rather, "get out" as he so tactfully put it.
Isn't this what they call "Suicide Loans" or "Suicide Mortgages", i.e. if property values don't keep skyrocketing, the mortgage-payers have just committed suicide?
since we have already lost all of last years appreciation,and a little more in santa rosa...and actual sales prices keep dropping,it will be a mess.many of these are also stated income/stated asset loans,and if the income on the application was fudged these people are in for an ugly time if they default....no bk,purchase money loan now a recourse loan...was it mortgage fraud,or tax fraud? not a good place to be.the best hope for a lot of people will be a short sale,and they have begun.
That would be very interesting to see with the foreclosure & preforeclosure numbers for the areas.
Here are some stats for Marin/Sonoma*: (the figures below are divided by county population) Marin [1] Pre-foreclosures: 407 (607) Foreclosures: 6 (41,160) Bankruptcies: 62 (3983) Tax liens: 846 (292)
Another local county for comparison: San Mateo [3] Pre-foreclosures: 1137 (615) Foreclosures: 19 (36,822) Bankruptcies: 424 (1650) Tax liens: 17362 (40)
And here’s a place that’s been all over the news: San Diego county: [4] Pre-foreclosures: 4419 (664) Foreclosures: 425 (6902) Bankruptcies: 1592 (1842) Tax liens: 17362 (189)
I’ve noticed these figures have increased markedly since last summer, and I can only guess they’ll spike as mortgages reset in these “black zones”. Combined with that map, it only confirms my suspicion that home buyers overextended themselves to a greater degree to buy into “prime” areas such as Marin, Sonoma “wine country”, Santa Barbara, San Diego, etc. So what happens to property values in “prime” areas that experience a higher rate of foreclosure—that much more exposure in downturn? As Tom adds, will we see "short sales" in the "prime" areas of Marin?
[1] calculated using est. 2005 population of 246,960 (rounded up) [2] calculated using est. 2005 population of 466,477 (rounded up) [3] calculated using est. 2005 population of 699,610 (rounded up) [4] calculated using est. 2005 population of 2,933,462 (rounded up) Stats source: foreclosure.com 7-18-06 *source: foreclosure.com 7-18-06
what is the difference between the numbers inside and outside the parentheses
Yeah: looks like I was unclear. The first are number of foreclosures, etc. for that county; the figure within parentheses are same stats, but divided by county population (for a basis of comparison)
The first are number of foreclosures, etc. for that county; the figure within parentheses are same stats, but divided by county population
So, if I understand you correctly, Marin County has nearly twice as many foreclosures (41,160) as Sonoma County (22,213) when adjusted for county population? If so, that's a shocker.
Marin County has nearly twice as many foreclosures (41,160)
Interpreted that way, wouldn’t that be 1/6th of Marin's population? It actually goes more like this: Pre-foreclosures: 407 (607) In other words, there are 407 pre-foreclosures in Marin, which divided by the population [1], gives one pre-foreclosure per (607) people.
I hope these stats served a useful comparison--sorry for the excessive bandwidth.
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Nice to see SF leading the charge, at 26% - this just for those originated in 2003, correct?
It will become even more interesting when the 2004 and 2005 data are seen.
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I think the Chronicle ran an article earlier this year estimating 67% of 2005 Bay Area purchases were made with IO's. Marin specifically was around 70% and Santa Rosa was even higher.
Everyone I know who bought in the last year or two has one of these suicde loans, no kidding. No one made a downpayment of more than 5%. Piggyback loans, the whole mess.
interesting, because on the KSVY RE show up herein Sonoma this afternoon, they were discussing just such an event. The call in RE'ltor was bemoaning the fact that a lot of people have these loans and they'd better re-fi..or rather, "get out" as he so tactfully put it.
Isn't this what they call "Suicide Loans" or "Suicide Mortgages", i.e. if property values don't keep skyrocketing, the mortgage-payers have just committed suicide?
since we have already lost all of last years appreciation,and a little more in santa rosa...and actual sales prices keep dropping,it will be a mess.many of these are also stated income/stated asset loans,and if the income on the application was fudged these people are in for an ugly time if they default....no bk,purchase money loan now a recourse loan...was it mortgage fraud,or tax fraud? not a good place to be.the best hope for a lot of people will be a short sale,and they have begun.
That would be very interesting to see with the foreclosure & preforeclosure numbers for the areas.
Here are some stats for Marin/Sonoma*:
(the figures below are divided by county population)
Marin [1]
Pre-foreclosures: 407 (607)
Foreclosures: 6 (41,160)
Bankruptcies: 62 (3983)
Tax liens: 846 (292)
Sonoma [2]
Pre-foreclosures: 1118 (417)
Foreclosures: 21 (22,213)
Bankruptcies: 183 (2549)
Tax liens: 2659 (175)
Another local county for comparison: San Mateo [3]
Pre-foreclosures: 1137 (615)
Foreclosures: 19 (36,822)
Bankruptcies: 424 (1650)
Tax liens: 17362 (40)
And here’s a place that’s been all over the news: San Diego county: [4]
Pre-foreclosures: 4419 (664)
Foreclosures: 425 (6902)
Bankruptcies: 1592 (1842)
Tax liens: 17362 (189)
I’ve noticed these figures have increased markedly since last summer, and I can only guess they’ll spike as mortgages reset in these “black zones”. Combined with that map, it only confirms my suspicion that home buyers overextended themselves to a greater degree to buy into “prime” areas such as Marin, Sonoma “wine country”, Santa Barbara, San Diego, etc. So what happens to property values in “prime” areas that experience a higher rate of foreclosure—that much more exposure in downturn? As Tom adds, will we see "short sales" in the "prime" areas of Marin?
[1] calculated using est. 2005 population of 246,960 (rounded up)
[2] calculated using est. 2005 population of 466,477 (rounded up)
[3] calculated using est. 2005 population of 699,610 (rounded up)
[4] calculated using est. 2005 population of 2,933,462 (rounded up)
Stats source: foreclosure.com 7-18-06
*source: foreclosure.com 7-18-06
mariin_exp -
Pardon my density, but what is the difference between the numbers inside and outside the parentheses. Arethey before and after?
what is the difference between the numbers inside and outside the parentheses
Yeah: looks like I was unclear. The first are number of foreclosures, etc. for that county; the figure within parentheses are same stats, but divided by county population (for a basis of comparison)
The first are number of foreclosures, etc. for that county; the figure within parentheses are same stats, but divided by county population
So, if I understand you correctly, Marin County has nearly twice as many foreclosures (41,160) as Sonoma County (22,213) when adjusted for county population? If so, that's a shocker.
Marin County has nearly twice as many foreclosures (41,160)
Interpreted that way, wouldn’t that be 1/6th of Marin's population? It actually goes more like this: Pre-foreclosures: 407 (607)
In other words, there are 407 pre-foreclosures in Marin, which divided by the population [1], gives one pre-foreclosure per (607) people.
I hope these stats served a useful comparison--sorry for the excessive bandwidth.
Now I understand, cool.
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